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An Interview with neologic of CZert

• well.. i can tell you a little about CzERT.. well.. hmm it basically started last year in Octob from that date, almost every friday we did one site in *.cz or *.sk... universities, newspapers, chat servers, government departments, banks

How many people are in CZert?

• 3 active, all of us are around 25 (i.e. me, dusheen and seteuid)... others dont work under the name "cZert"

I noticed you guys seem to only hack your local domains,

• yes, i dont stick my nose outside *.sk very much

Are there any laws against hacking in the Czech Republic & Slovakia?

• hm well, not to the degree as it is in the US. basically there is no specific "Computer Law", regular laws apply, for instance if a server is wiped out.. just like damaging any private property

I see. Anyone ever get in any trouble?

• nope, just a few people kicked out of school

You guys ever hack anything outside of .cz/.sk?

• yes, I always use servers in western europe/usa for redirectors, telnet-outs, file servers, etc. i just dont feel like modifying boring US web pages :) there are sooo many of them. on the other hand, there are so few computers linked to internet in slovakia (11 000) that I can say that after 4 years, I ve been on quite a fraction of them, all major universities, all major companies.. heh its easy to be a big fish here, since the pond is so small :)

So is there any real reason why you guys do it? did you ever think of yourselfs as rebels against commercialization of the internet?

• fun.. we get together on fridays, drink beer or smoke pot, and then hack a stupid site.. no philosophy behind it

noble enough :) So you guys work together on them?

• more or less... the www hacks were really simple though

Standard sendmail/nfs type stuff?

• no, since the Net is so small here, its enough to run a few sniffers on major domains, and you eventually get logs from a large number of machines. Wcause for a few of the hackse found a small stupid bug in linux last year that was also

Which bug was this?

• it was sent to bugtraq later... Linux user "nobody" used to be uid 65535 which means "-1", so any suid program run by user nobody would run as root. combined with httpd running as "nobody" and the phf script for instance, you could get root on a remote machine with one command

• i think we are quite different here than "hackers" in th US

howso?

• i dont even like the word "hacker", i puke when I see the silly wannabe-hackers with ego bigger than New Jersey on #hack channel... all the media in the US, all the glory...

Yeah, most of them seem to do it for a reputation.. You guys seem to do it for the fun of it.

• yes.. + girls :)) we hacked a local radio station at a party a few weeks ago.. I wanted to get laid hehe

Ragtime?

• yes exactly.. you are well informed. Ragtime was also a bet.. we bet a barrel of beer and we drank it last saturday, I just came back from that session

Who designed the awesome CZert demon?

• heh I stole that. if you look at the gif with an editor, there is an address of the author and copyright info :) cZert means "devil" in slovak

Oh, I thought it was just a play on words, "czech cert"

• yes, exactly.. it is a play on CERT... but if you add "z", it becomes a "devil"

My personal favorite hack is NetLab

• oh yeah, Netlab is fun.. too bad you can't understand the words. I did netlab because I got kicked out of their company last summer

I understand bits and peices of them.. mainly by guessing and limited polish knowledge :) The pictures describe enough

• i am the first one to admit though that the HTMl design sucks.. I dont know or care about HTML :)

• how did you hear about us ? a yahoo search ? :)

nope. initially from hack.box.sk. Then I found an archive of hacked websites with czert in em

• i see. well.. what do you think ? you probably had a chance to talk to a few "hackers".. i probably dont fit the profile :)

not at all. most "hakcers" I've spoken to are usually pretty egotistical, and hack mainly to get reputations and impress people. Only a few do it for a cause, and some do it for fun.

• uh, you have quite a few of hacked sites on your site. i had no idea other people do this..

quite a few :)

• well.. i heared about the CIA and DoJ hacks.. but i didnt know somone does this often. if I wouldnt drink so much, it would probably get boring. well.. we are planning ---.---.-- for next time. there is a backdoor there already.. i just dont know how to modify the stupid HTML stuff - I think we ran out of ideas :)

how long do you guys usually wait between the time you hack it and the time you edit it?

• anything between 5 seconds and 5 months, usually until the nearest friday :)

So why ---.---.--? any reason?

• oh.. well.. I hacked it for another reason. I needed a few fast linux machines. we flooded GSM SMS system from there two weeks ago, sended around 300 000 messages to GSM mobile phones, and around 150 000 political mails

• i am reading the "Power Trhough Resistance" interview on your site

well, theres was more of a post of their manifesto, not an interview.

• i see.. hehe... "manifesto".. the whole idea of writing a "manifesto" seems so silly i guess i might be older than some of the other "hackers"....

ouch. nod... One last question, What's your favorite OS? :)

• linux ! :) is that the common response ? :)

among hackers, yes. I myself am a FreeBSD person. well, for running servers with anyways. though I do administer two linux servers

• i see

So you have anything else to say? :)

• well.. i really had nothing to say at all :) as I said.. there is no "philosophy" behind it.. just a little weekend fun :) have phun and stay cool

okay, thanks for the interview